The Logical Form
Against the Notion of a God Who “Permits” a World-Killer
  • P1: A being with unlimited power and knowledge could eliminate any destructive agent instantly.
  • P2: Allowing a destructive agent to continue harming others despite unlimited power to stop it indicates either indifference or contradiction in the claim of benevolence.
  • P3: The biblical God is said to allow Satan—described as a global destroyer—to persist.
  • Conclusion: Therefore, the biblical God’s tolerance of Satan is incompatible with the claim of an all-powerful, benevolent deity.
Evidence Requirements for Entities That Influence the World
  • P1: Claims about entities that shape events in the world require evidence proportionate to their alleged influence.
  • P2: The Bible asserts that Satan actively influences global outcomes while providing no independent evidence of such an entity.
  • P3: Evidence-free entities cannot be rationally invoked to explain real-world events.
  • Conclusion: Therefore, Satan cannot be rationally invoked as an explanatory cause for real-world suffering or behavior.
The Dual-Agency (Good vs. Evil Beings) Framework
  • P1: Human cognition generates explanatory agents—gods, spirits, forces—when unconstrained by evidentiary requirements.
  • P2: The good-agent/bad-agent dualism (God/Satan) mirrors this unconstrained pattern of invention.
  • P3: Patterns consistent with human invention cannot be assumed to represent real entities without substantiating evidence.
  • Conclusion: Therefore, the God/Satan dual-agency system is more plausibly a cognitive artifact than an account of real supernatural beings.
Tolerating Evil Agents Undermines Claims of Omnipotence
  • P1: An omnipotent being cannot be thwarted or constrained by any lesser being.
  • P2: The biblical narrative describes Satan as resisting, undermining, or counteracting God’s will.
  • P3: If a lesser being successfully opposes an omnipotent being, the claim of omnipotence is violated.
  • Conclusion: Therefore, the biblical description of Satan contradicts the claim that God is omnipotent.
A Dialogue
The Devil and the Christian God

DAVID: Evil exists because Satan is actively at work in the world. The suffering we see is largely due to his influence, and the Bible explains why God allows this.

CLARUS: If you were omnipotent and fully capable of preventing a dangerous being from harming humanity, would you allow that being to exist for even a moment? Most people wouldn’t. Why should an actual God of the universe be held to a lower standard of competence or compassion?

DAVID: But God allows Satan to exist because free will requires the possibility of rebellion. Eliminating Satan would compromise the moral drama central to human life.

CLARUS: That assumes the narrative itself is coherent. An omnipotent being does not need a cosmic antagonist to preserve human agency. Allowing a malevolent entity with global reach is not a requirement for freedom—it’s a design choice that reflects on the designer, not on the humans.

DAVID: Satan’s existence is part of God’s plan. Without him, people wouldn’t turn to God, and the contrast between good and evil wouldn’t be meaningful.

CLARUS: That presumes the contrast must be generated by an external villain. Humans generate enough harmful impulses on their own. Adding a supernatural predator only multiplies suffering without necessity. An all-powerful being who wants humans to grow could do so without unleashing an immortal killer.

DAVID: The Bible teaches that Satan is bound by God’s limits. He operates only with divine permission.

CLARUS: That raises a deeper problem: if Satan can harm only with permission, then every atrocity attributed to Satan is ultimately approved by God. The distinction collapses. Satan becomes a middleman used to outsource blame. The logic weakens rather than strengthens the theology you’re defending.

DAVID: Still, the presence of both God and Satan explains why some things are blessings and others are afflictions. It fits the dual structure of the world.

CLARUS: Humans naturally create dual-agent systems when lacking evidence but wanting explanations. Throughout history, cultures invented paired beings—gods and demons, light and dark spirits—to distribute credit and blame. The Bible’s God/Satan schema fits that cognitive pattern, but fitting a pattern isn’t the same as being true.

DAVID: You’re overlooking the spiritual dimension. Not everything can be evaluated purely by reason.

CLARUS: Reason is what allows us to distinguish substantiated entities from invented ones. If the only justification for Satan’s continued existence is a theological story, not evidence or logic, then the claim stands on the same footing as other mythical antagonists created to explain fortune and misfortune.

DAVID: You make it sound like the biblical picture of Satan is just another mythological construct.

CLARUS: If an omnipotent being would not tolerate a murderer for five minutes, it’s unclear why the biblical God tolerates a cosmic murderer for millennia. If the story cannot withstand that basic question, calling it “mysterious” doesn’t repair the conceptual holes—it only masks them.

DAVID: Then what would count as a coherent explanation for suffering?

CLARUS: A framework that does not rely on the prolonged existence of an unstoppable enemy permitted by an all-powerful deity. A coherent model must explain suffering without inventing a supernatural villain whose existence—if taken literally—only amplifies the theological contradictions.




The absurdity of letting Satan roam free.

Helpful Analogies

Imagine being omnipotent and standing before a locked room that contains a man who is actively killing innocent people around the world through remote devices. With limitless power, you could stop him instantly—erase him, restrain him, or prevent the harm entirely. Allowing him to continue for even a second would be unthinkable.
Yet the biblical story asks us to accept that an all-powerful deity knowingly allows Satan—depicted as far worse—to roam freely for millennia. If no sane omnipotent being would tolerate such evil for a moment, the Bible’s depiction of God’s tolerance of Satan strains rational coherence.


Imagine a prison warden who claims absolute control over every cell, every door, every guard, and every inch of the grounds. Now imagine that this warden knowingly allows the most violent inmate to leave his cell at will, attack anyone he wishes, and return whenever convenient—while insisting he remains “fully in charge.”
The Bible’s notion of Satan mirrors this contradiction. If God is truly all-powerful, allowing an enemy to sabotage creation for ages becomes inexplicable. A real sovereign would neutralize the threat instantly, not permit a cosmic criminal to thrive for generations.


Imagine a culture in which every good event—finding money, healing from illness, good weather—is credited to a benevolent spirit, while every bad event—storms, accidents, disease—is blamed on a malevolent force. This dual-agent model arises naturally in human psychology when people explain events without demanding evidence.
The Bible’s pairing of God and Satan fits this familiar pattern: one entity receives credit for blessings; the other absorbs blame for suffering. This structure is exactly what humans invent when not constrained by evidence, forming a tidy but imaginary system of cosmic bookkeeping rather than a description of actual reality.


Addressing Theological Responses

1. God Permits Satan for a Greater Purpose

Some Christians might argue that God allows Satan to exist because divine purposes extend beyond immediate human comprehension. They may claim that God can use even malevolent beings to accomplish testing, refinement, or demonstration of divine justice, and that eliminating Satan instantly would collapse the meaningful exercise of human freedom.


2. Human Logic Cannot Fully Capture the Divine Agenda

Christians could assert that calling Satan’s continued existence “illogical” reflects the limitations of human reasoning, not a flaw in God’s plan. They may argue that divine decisions operate within a higher epistemic framework, where what seems unnecessary or inconsistent to humans is coherent from a transcendent vantage point.


3. Satan’s Role Fits Within a Narrative of Free Will

A common Christian response is that Satan embodies the genuine possibility of choosing against God, making moral agency meaningful. They may argue that removing Satan would reduce choice to an illusion, undermining the authenticity of obedience, love, and spiritual growth.


4. The Bible Provides the Context That Natural Reason Cannot

Some may claim that the Bible’s portrayal of Satan is coherent once interpreted through special revelation. They might argue that scripture clarifies Satan’s limits, his temporary authority, and his ultimate defeat—concepts that, from within a Christian worldview, justify why God has not destroyed him immediately.


5. The Presence of Evil Demonstrates the Need for Redemption

Many Christians would say that the existence of Satan is integral to the story of redemption. They may claim that God allows Satan’s influence to highlight humanity’s need for salvation, and that eliminating Satan prematurely would disrupt the theological arc of fall, struggle, grace, and restoration.


6. Divine Restraint, Not Absence, Explains the Delay

Christians could argue that God is not indifferent but patiently delaying final judgment. They may cite scriptural themes that depict God as “slow to anger,” allowing time for repentance and transformation. Satan’s continued activity is viewed as a temporary condition rather than a permanent feature of reality.


7. Satan Is Already Defeated in a Metaphysical Sense

Another response is that Christians see Satan’s defeat as already accomplished spiritually, even if not yet manifested physically. They might argue that God tolerates Satan’s limited operations to fulfill prophecy or to reveal divine sovereignty in a final, dramatic resolution.


8. The Good/Evil Duality Reflects a Larger Spiritual Conflict

Christians might assert that the dual presence of God and Satan reflects a cosmic struggle in which humanity participates. They may claim that this duality is not a human invention but a divinely revealed truth explaining the moral and spiritual dimensions of human experience.

1. The “Greater Purpose” Claim Presupposes What It Must Prove

Appealing to a mysterious “greater purpose” assumes that such a purpose exists, yet provides no mechanism showing why an omnipotent being would need a homicidal cosmic adversary to achieve it. A truly omnipotent entity could accomplish refinement, justice, or moral development without permitting global suffering from an unrestrained supernatural predator. This explanation merely relocates, rather than resolves, the contradiction.


2. Invoking “Higher Logic” Eliminates Any Standard of Coherence

Saying that God’s tolerance of Satan is coherent from a “higher epistemic framework” dissolves all criteria for meaningful explanation. If divine decisions are exempt from logic, no claim about God’s goodness, justice, or intentions can be evaluated. The argument shields the doctrine from scrutiny by abandoning the very tools needed to assess it. A belief that rejects logic cannot simultaneously appeal to rational justification.


3. Free Will Does Not Require a Cosmic Serial Killer

The claim that free will requires Satan misrepresents what choice demands. Humans could freely choose cooperation, compassion, or selfishness without needing a supernatural mastermind engineering suffering at scale. Removing Satan would not eliminate alternative choices; it would merely remove one catastrophic, unnecessary option that an all-powerful being would have no reason to preserve.


4. Special Revelation Cannot Repair Internal Contradictions

Appeal to biblical context does not make the Satan narrative coherent; it simply reasserts the doctrine. The Bible itself portrays God as both omnipotent and unwilling to eliminate a being who allegedly causes worldwide suffering. Referencing scripture cannot resolve tensions introduced by scripture. A text cannot serve simultaneously as the source of a claim and the validation of its coherence.


5. A Designed Problem Cannot Justify the Designer

Arguing that Satan is needed to “demonstrate humanity’s need for redemption” concedes an even deeper problem: a deity intentionally creates or permits a catastrophic evil solely to manufacture a need for its own solution. This resembles setting a house on fire to highlight the importance of firefighters. A redemptive arc loses coherence when the architect of suffering is also the proposed savior.


6. “Divine Patience” Contradicts the Cost of Delay

Saying God is restraining judgment out of patience ignores the staggering human cost of that delay. If an omnipotent being permits Satan to continue killing, deceiving, or tormenting millions, patience becomes indistinguishable from negligence. The scale of preventable harm renders the patience explanation incoherent unless one first assumes that suffering has no moral weight—a claim Christians themselves reject.


7. “Already Defeated” Yet Fully Operational Is Contradictory

Calling Satan “already defeated” but still fully active introduces a contradiction. A defeated enemy who remains powerful, destructive, and uncontained is not defeated in any meaningful sense. The distinction between metaphysical defeat and empirical activity is a theological workaround, not an explanation. If God can metaphysically defeat Satan, God could metaphysically—and physically—remove him entirely.


8. Cosmic Dualism Looks Human-Made, Not Divine

Invoking a cosmic good-versus-evil battle mirrors long-standing human storytelling patterns, not divine necessity. The duality provides psychological comfort by giving abstract misfortune a personal agent and offering meaning in chaos. Without evidence of supernatural entities, this narrative reflects human cognitive tendencies, not the structure of reality. The claim explains belief formation—not the universe.

Clarifications
Left Side (Science / Rationality)

✓ We start with observations — what we can see, measure, and test.
✓ From these observations, we can gather both confirming evidence (things that support a theory) and disconfirming evidence (things that go against it).
✓ Science accepts both kinds of evidence. If the evidence supports the theory, good. If it challenges the theory, also good — because it helps us refine or replace bad explanations.
➘ In this system, a theory has to survive possible challenges to remain credible.


Right Side (Ideology / Faith-based Explanations)

✓ Observations are still there, but the “explanation” is already assumed (e.g., “God did it,” “Satan did it,” or “souls exist”).
✓ Any evidence that seems to confirm the assumption is accepted.
✓ But disconfirming evidence is blocked out — it’s not allowed to count against the explanation.
➘ That means the explanation can never be proven wrong, no matter what is observed. It looks strong, but only because it refuses to admit being tested.


The Core Message

When you let all evidence count (science/rationality), your ideas can actually be tested, corrected, and improved.
When you block evidence that doesn’t fit your assumptions (ideology/faith), your system may seem airtight, but it actually explains nothing — because it would look the same no matter what happens.


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4 responses to “#52 ✓ Consider: Would an actual God of the universe be unable or unwilling to quickly defeat the devil of the Bible?”

  1. J Avatar
    J

    I was browsing the website and came across the interesting points above. I haven’t yet read the book, but one religious scholar (Elaine Pagels) seems to argue in The Origins of Satan that the original “purpose” of maintaining the devil’s role as an evil agent was to malign early heretics or those who disagreed with the church.

    One thing that is especially problematic for Christian doctrine is that if Satan voluntarily rebelled, it follows that there was no need for Adam and Eve to be tempted by him to test their obedience. If angels could rebel without any enticement, the first humans could as well. The fact that the Christian interpretation of Genesis 3 has the devil tempting them makes one wonder what would have happened in his absence: Did the author(s) of Genesis think that God needed to “engineer” the first couple’s disobedience for his own purposes? (I’ve heard that Jewish interpretations of the story don’t consider it the “original” sin that irredeemably corrupted mankind.)

    The points you offered also reminded of an additional critique that I heard from another skeptic: God is basically allowing hell to become more populated by waiting to return. If the outcome of Christ’s victory is foreordained, than the populations of heaven and hell are technically arbitrarily determined by when he decides to initiate the apocalypse. The earlier the return, the fewer the souls suffering eternal damnation. (And the New Testament seems to imply that heaven is for a fraction of the total human population.)

    (As a side note, I also wanted to apologize if my previous request for a piece on a topic was out-of-line or not written well. Please feel free to let me know if there is anything I could change in my posts. My thoughts on certain topics are probably more nuanced than they sounded in yesterday’s post.)

    Thanks,

    J

  2. J Avatar
    J

    Also, I have read some related works discussing the historical development of Satan and seen scholars argue that the original “satan” mentioned in the Hebrew Bible either referred to a subordinate heavenly being who acted as an “accuser” to test people’s faithfulness or was simply a general Hebrew term for any entity opposed to someone (whether spiritual or human). There is also the possibility that Zoroastrian dualism or Greek philosophy contributed to Hellenistic Judaism (and later Christianity’s) perspectives on demons working in cahoots with the devil to thwart the righteous or stir up sinners.

    (One book that taught me about Job’s depiction of Satan as God’s loyal servant for testing righteous individuals was Bart Ehrman’s God’s Problem. He even mentions the idea proposed by another scholar that Job is based on an ancient court scene with a prosecutor figure and the protagonist’s hope for defense for his case against God. I didn’t know that the Hebrew word could refer to a human opponent as well until reading Dan McClellan’s The Bible Says So.)

    1. Phil Stilwell Avatar
      Phil Stilwell

      Sorry for the delay in my response. I’ve been distracted with other activities.

      It appears you’ve been doing a considerable amount of your own research on Satan and other topics.

      Have you considered starting a blog?

      1. J Avatar
        J

        No problem, that’s cool. (Sorry about the volume of comments.)

             I think much of what I know about the historical development of Satan came from the years immediately before and after I first became a skeptic. There was a book on Judaism that talked about Job being tested by “the satan” working for God and how evil actions are simply the choice of individuals. Ehrman’s book (and others) basically added more information on how the Christian understanding arose, with the final result being something that the author(s) of Job probably never foresaw.

             In regards to starting a blog, I’ve definitely thought about it at times. Maybe it would cut down on the time spent bothering other skeptics ;). 

            There are several excellent skeptical sites (like Free of Faith) on the web if someone is willing to look for them and it often seems like I’m just building off the ideas of others. It’s also kind of tragic that the sheer noise of apologetics sites (and the number of wannabe defenders of the faith) appears to create the illusion that the case for Christianity is stronger than it really is by distracting truth-seekers from quality sources.

             To illustrate, I began to follow a couple of critical Bible studies blogs created by former believers. One in particular offers fascinating perspectives on stories that everyone takes for granted. It has pieces on Bible topics like a possible foreign king of Judah that was erased from the books, Cain’s family being the original protagonists of Genesis 5, Jezebel being villainized by later editors of Kings, the United Monarchy being “mythical”, and how the parables attributed to Jesus in the Gospels might generally be the creations of later Christians. (One prominent Bible scholar on Patheos actually reblogs many of the articles on his portal.) Sadly, after browsing through dozens of apologetics sites, it doesn’t seem like they really want to be bothered to seriously investigate possibilities like these or to offer anything more than a half-hearted rebuttal to distract fellow believers from doing their own research.

              I’ll definitely have to check out some blog-hosting services at some point, though.

              Thanks,

              J.

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